There are certain foods that define a region. This is a bit less true today than it was 40 years ago, but there are still a few foods so associated with a place that they help define it.
Beignets are an example. They belong so completely to New Orleans that I rarely even consider having one in my day-to-day life. But get me to New Orleans, and beignets will be one of the first stops I make.
Other examples are Philly cheese steaks and Boston clam chowder.
There are also regional differences between foods. In Pascagoula, Mississippi barbeque (the noun not the verb) is meat in a vinegary sauce. But not too far north in Memphis, Tennessee, people would roll their eyes at that. Because barbeque to them is smoked meat, with a dry spice rub.
There are other examples of this, and in this highly homogenized world we live in it’s fun to seek out the new, the different or the culinarily unique. And despite the chain restaurant syndrome, there still are a few “local†food traditions left in this world.
I came across an example of this recently at Whisk: A Food Blog. It seems that Nicole at Pinch My Salt had a Bread Makers Apprentice Challenge. Not that she asked me to play in that sandbox, but that’s another story. Anyway, the challenge was bagels.
So, it seems... Shari at Whisk participated and in her write up she said, “I haven't eaten many New York-style bagels so I was keen to give them a try.â€
New York-style bagels? I questioned, is there any other kind? I mean not counting yucky Sara Lee bagels.
Shari went on to say that “Montreal-style†bagels were a “favorite†at her house.
How can I have never heard of somebody’s favorite food?
I made some lame comment about how these bagels must be French influenced and more like a pastry. If you ever wonder why I don’t leave more comments on all your wonderful blogs. It because I am pre-disposed to leaving inane garbage like this, instead of thoughtful commentary!
But this time my stupidity paid off. Because Shari contacted Sup! personally. I was very honored by the attention. Whisk: A Food Blog is one of those blogs that inspired me to start my own blog 7 months ago! So to me she is like a rock star only better! (‘Cuz I don’t really like rock-n-roll, but you get my drift)…
Through a flurry of messages a “challenge†of sorts was developed! We decided send each other a care package. Inside this package we put a few things we considered local specialties in our neck of the woods. I live in Los Angeles. She lives in Ottawa.
Well I got my package yesterday. She sent me some interesting local spices including chunks of dried ginger and a sweet sprinkling of Gold Maple Nuggets for ice cream. There is a jam made with a fruit I have never heard of called, Saskatoon. And of course, some terrific maple syrup. Which is very exciting because the sap doesn’t run in Los Angeles. Watch your mouth I have heard all the "sup" & “sap†jokes I can handle.
Of course she also included the genesis of this whole challenge. Montreal-style bagels.
Naturally, I could not just eat them. I had to research them… ad nauseum. So I might as well regurgitate (hmmm… not a good food blog word, must buy thesaurus) that info right back to you, my captive audience.
Well it seems that a Montreal-style bagel is indeed quite different than what I am used to. It also seems I was at least on the right track with my French pastry remark, because Montreal bagels are dipped in honey water and have a bit of sugar in them, while New York bagels use salt.
Montreal bagels are smaller, sweeter and denser. Noticeably denser. They also have a very large hole, more like a donut.
But the biggest difference is Montreal-style bagels are baked in a wood-fired oven giving them a dappled, crunchy exterior.
Like New York bagels, Jewish immigrants brought Montreal bagels to North America from Eastern Europe. Though I am sure they did not call them by these names. It seems the difference in texture and taste depends exactly from what area of Eastern Europe they arrived (the people, not the bagels). Because (especially in those days) geography played a large role in determining diet. So the bagels turned out slightly different depending upon where these immigrant bakers learned their trade.
As if this isn’t enough to separate these two styles of bagels it seems that there is a rivalry between 2 bakers of Montreal-style bagels.
For the past 30 years, two bagel bakers: St. Viateur Bagel & Cafe and Fairmount Bagel Bakery have been claiming to make the best bagel. As I hope I have proven, bagels may be Montreal's most iconic food, so the distinction of "best" would be quite an honor.
Of course, with iconic status comes controversy! Montrealers have divided their allegiances between these two bakeries. Each claiming their favorite shop to be the best in the city. Don’t expect Sup! to get in the middle of that fight though…
I will say this: Shari included a note that said the bagels were best “toasted with dill cream cheeseâ€. I took this to mean toasted and then spread with dill cream cheese. I put some lox on there too. I don't know maybe it's all those years eating New York bagels, but I require lox. I was tempted to put tomato and capers on there too. But I am trying to be true to Shari's vision of bagel perfection.
I know you know that a treat from so far away deserves a special spread. So I made the spread myself. If you want Sup's! recipe for Dill and Chive Cream Cheese Spread click here.
This challenge turned out to be a lot of fun. I suggest you pick a blogger in some far away place and initiate a similar trade. Or challenge me. I am game to do this again! You never know what new tastes you will discover.
SERIOUS FUN FOOD
Greg Henry
SippitySup






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Love those bagels!
I visited Montreal with my husband for the first time about five years ago. Being the true foodie that I am, I'd read all about Montreal bagels and knew I had to try them. St. Viateur was the destination of choice. Using public transportation to get there from our hotel was a bigger ordeal than we realized, and it included a two mile hike through a "not very scenic" industrial area. We finally found this bagel mecca and were quite surprised to find how very small and unassuming the place was. I'm a Southern Californian and used to slicker bagel joints. This little ole shop had flour sacks partially obstructing the windows and a little wood burning oven cranking out the two varieties of bagels, poppy seed and sesame. After my first bite, I knew it was worth the trek. Two dozen bagels were packed in my suitcase to bring back as souvenirs so friends and family could try them. Now, I find they're available to ship to the U.S. I'll be ordering some soon!
I have heard of these
I have heard of these Montreal bagels, but I have never had them. Though I am a total NY bagel snob, so I am going to say that ours are better!
And you have to have the nova - there is no better accompaniment to a fresh bagel!
haven't had montreal bagels but
w/r/t density, a lot of "NY Style bagels" available in the US are perversions (yeah i went there) of the true NY bagel, that staple of my parents' youth. the holes are not big like the montreal ones, but the bagels are overall smaller and denser -- as my mother likes to say , you know it's a good bagel if it bites back. there are a few old-school jewish bagel places around (i'm in north jersey) but they are far outnumbered by places where you have to order your bagel toasted. (and yes, toasting is blasphemous; it is a sign of a weak bagel!)
on the other hand, i am sure you must be able to find some legitimate bagels in LA... right? please? i'm going out there in a week and a week sans bagel... egads!
I am unsure about good LA bagels...
...but if you find a place let me know. GREG
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I keep putting bagels on my baking list, but I keep getting distracted. Thanks for the inspiration. Great pics!
If I had to choose...
... I'd go with NY-style. I'm not a huge bagel person, but Montreal-style actually piss me off: they're all hole!!!! They're too dense for my taste and I feel like I don't get enough bang for my buck, since the hole is so large!
But I celebrate these "local" traditional foods! I think they're paramount to keeping traditions alive in the whirlwind of globalization!
great info
I read Shari's post too, and now I have a clear picture of what she mentioned. It's so cool that you found out more about Montreal bagels and reported back to us!
How fun! I have yet to try a
How fun! I have yet to try a Montreal-style bagel even though I wanted to on my two recent trips to there. I ran out of time and stomach-room.
Boston chowda
Food bloggers sharing culinary care packages of regional treats is a superb plan! Whisk is also a fave of mine, so color me green with envy. I've visited Montreal once and missed out on these bagels. Thanks for sharing your bounty with us through an amusing and informative narrative.
I was born in Montreal
and though I left at a young age, when I saw your photo on Tastespotting I almost yelped with joy. Montreal bagels are a food unto themselves, just as NY Pizza is a culinary world away from Chicago Deep Dish. Many of the shops will also sell their own cream cheese to take alongwith, one lighter and grainier than other styles. A toasted sesame bagel with a smear of the tangy spread - heaven.
Jeffrey Alford and Naomi Duguid have a recipe for Montreal-style bagels in their book "HomeBaking: The Artful Mix of Flour and Tradition Around the World".
I always thought
I always thought I'd just as soon leave well enough alone and cede supreme bagel victory to the extremely talented NY bagel makers - but these have certainly piqued my interest. I don't suppose you found any good recipes out there for "Montreal" style bagels did you? Having now had them, which do you prefer?
There are actually 2 shops in the upscale suburbs of DC operated by transplant NY Jews that operate excellent delis (slice their own nova, brisket sandwiches are ridiculous, matzoh ball soup goodness, etc. etc.), but make only "decent" bagels. For some reason, they just lack that je ne sais quoi of the shops in NY. A lot of people say it's the water that makes the difference (same for pizza). Either way, Sara's parents are coming down here this weekend and I'm putting in my order for a dozen ev. and then rationing them like it's the great depression until we can replenish the supply during our next visit.
Yeahhh, i love Bagels. I will
Yeahhh, i love Bagels. I will try that with the salmon, it looks so so good!
Greets Dirk
They look just like simit.
Your bagels look tasty. Although, at first I thought they were Turkish simit. Like this: http://www.seriouseats.com/2008/03/photo-of-the-day-simit-vendor-in-ista... or this: http://www.oburkedi.com/en/2008/01/turkish-bagel.php#more
I learned a lot, and now I
I learned a lot, and now I want to visit Montreal again just to visit these two rival bagel shops! Thanks for the research. Enjoy the treats!
The treats...
... were very much appreciated. Good luck with yours! GREG
Mmmm...I've always wanted to
Mmmm...I've always wanted to try and make bagels. Montreal, eh? I gotta try that.
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